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Divorce Discussions and Advice – Alimony
What happens when one spouse decides to end a marriage, should the other have to pay for that???
A snippet of my own divorce story!
Here is a tough topic. Paying and receiving alimony. Paying, is tough for the spouse paying it, and it may be tough for the spouse that is getting it, perhaps feelings of guilt to some degree – Sounds stupid I know…I’m not getting soft here but it is a reality. But let’s drop the guilt topic for this post and address paying off your X after the divorce proceedings or divorce mediation process is over.
There can be a number of reasons a marriage ends, dishonesty, total disconnect, illness, or 1000 and 1 other permutations and combinations of 1 million variables. In my case, she asked for the divorce, i really did not have a choice. I would have, and tried to stick it out, yet I was essentially dumped on. (and that damn dress was left at my house) I supported her for years. I took her on vacations, bought her cars, the whole shebang! She paid the phone and electric bill and took her earnings and shopped. She did buy food for the house and some shabby sheik furnishings that I really disliked, but in all fairness she contributed some but very little. Let me make this clear, the focus of this post is monetary, not emotional.
So how is it that in this case a spouse would have to pay the other spouse a lump sum of his/her life savings. I had to, and still am, I pay her a monthly Alimony…..What is THIS? We did not have kids. How is it that I was helpless and at the mercy of her integrity. I was walking on egg shells knowing that all i had built was about to be crushed. Had she decided to get lawyers involved, it becomes the “divorce business” And the full extent of our “law” would be in affect. I was lucky, she had integrity. The law states that she could take half…she did not. But none-the-less what she did take, and what I am still paying is a major setback in my life. Couple that with the economic turn after the divorce…you get the picture.
No kids, No cheating, just a worn out relationship, complacent, where one spouse decides to leave. How is it that the other spouse gets stuck with the bill. What does the phrase “lifestyle i am accustomed to” mean? How is it, for example, my responsibility to support this person if this person wants to leave and give up on the marriage? Please understand, I am NOT talking about the LAW. The law is there for many reasons and it protects a spouse against many bad thing that happened before there was a law. Law aside, morals in hand, why is it the responsibility of one spouse to support the other after the marriage, if the “supportee” made the decision to leave the “supportor“. I just don’t grasp this concept. The marriage is bad, he/she wants out and knows that he/she has the other spouse by the short hairs financially. What is the incentive to stay and work it out. MARRIAGE AND RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOT EASY. But there is little incentive to stay married when you can bail with a lotto sum and do your own thing!
This is interesting. My parents are both 83 this year. And on Xmas eve they will celebrate their 63rd wedding anniversary. 63 years. SIXTY THREE YEARS. Do you think my mom wanted to leave my dad on many occasions? My dad leave my mom? What kept them together through the bickering, fighting and more. Divorce was/is not an option for them. They got married and made an oath before G-D, friends, and family and stuck to that oath, through sickness, insanity, etc……till what…till the end.
Problem with our law and our society is that, (my opinion) it is too easy to get out of a marriage now. Marriage is a business now (from the wedding planner to the divorce lawyer). This aspect of the law is not fair morally. You don’t want to be with me? You don’t’ want to grind it out? Well, in my opinion, take your shit and leave. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out…but damn it..take what is really yours, Make your bed and sleep in it..Don’t attach yourself to “what you were used to” and take payment for 1/2 the marriage. Well, I was used to a wife at my side and her having my back through anything, I was used to the sex we had BEFORE we got married, I was used to many things…they just flew out the door along with what she was USED to, living off my money. Her retort was always that she could live in an apartment and did not need a nice house or fancy cars…ironically that was not the case, she needed a heap of cash when she left me.
I am making this a bit more personal then I had intended, but the point i am making is that there are certain circumstances where the law we have is totally BS. When did marriage become a business?
In this case: Alimony = Crap
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Gman said:
I agree that this alimony thing is taken too far. It is far more equitable for women to get divorced than to stay married. All the financial perks of two incomes, none of the left-up-toilet-seat.
I say women benefit from this because where I am from 70% of all divorces are initiated by the female. Of those 70% approximately 98% state “Not being happy anymore” as the reason. Wow! I’m not happy at my job, can I leave and still get 50% of my salary? That would be awesome! Why wouldn’t I do that?
I now subscribe to the Gene Simmons school of thought on marriage. Worst business deal a man can make.
Adam said:
Gman, Thanks for this comment. I was hoping this article would provoke some strong opinions. I agree that there are issues, especially in my case, but to be objective, if the man abuses the woman, cheated and really gave an unthinkable reason, then I would say, “take him for all he has”. But what of the case where it is the opposite? Why should the male or female bread winner spouse have to pay??? I hope we get some good comments on this topic….be sure to post your story too!
Rachel said:
I thought this was funny and fits in perfectly….
One day a father gets out of work and on his way home he remembers that it’s his daughter’s birthday. He pulls over to a toy store and asks the salesperson, “How much is the Barbie on the display window?”
The salesperson answers, ” Which one? We have Work out Barbie for $19.95,Shopping Barbie for $19.95,Beach Barbie for $19.95,Disco Barbie for $19.95 and Divorced Barbie for $265.95
The amazed father asks: “What? Why is the Divorced Barbie $265.95 and the others only $19.95?”
The salesperson annoyingly answers :
“Sir…,”Divorced Barbie comes with Ken’s Car,Ken’s House,Ken’s Boat,Ken’s Furniture,Ken’s Computer and… One of Ken’s Friends.”
Gary said:
Well, many years ago, most states DID have fault divorce. Of course, that’s when a person behavior during their marriage is grounds for divorce and did affect the outcome of the settlement and alimony ( called spousal support in CA. ) But I noticed with the emergence of womens lib and the NOW organization, most states started dropping “fault” divorce for “no-fault” divorce. Did those two go hand in hand or was it a mere coincidence? I do not know. You decide. But now we know this. More women file for divorce than men. It is usually the woman who gets paid alimony. It is usually the woman who gets custody of the children. IMO, most divorce courts and laws are gender biased. My attorney told me it is better than it was yrs. ago when he started practicing family law. I understand the fairness in granting alimony to a spouse that hadn’t worked and was unprepared to do so. But my ex quit a good paying job and never returned to work, expecting instead to receive alimony, which she did get. It took nearly two yrs. to get that ruling changed, thanks in part to an over-worked court system, and a gender biased one at that. Too many “judges/commissioners” today are still gender biased. It’s not surprising, considering all the male bashing that takes place in the media, mostly television.
Adam said:
Gary said: Well, many years ago, most states DID have fault divorce. Of course, that’s when a person behavior during their marriage …
Gary,
Your comment is great. I was hoping that we can get more objective views here, and yours hit home. Thanks!
Sara said:
These are great comments, but I have to share a story of mine. Years ago I was running a small private school. The people involved were all very wealthy. One of the little girls was the daughter of parents who were going through a nasty and I mean NASTY divorce. The husband had all the money; the wife had multiple degrees and had once worked for Pres. Reagan but had given it all up to have kids. At 50 she hadn’t worked in some 20 years and was basically not employable – at least not to a degree to support 4 kids. The man spent 300K and dragged the divorce out for years trying to keep her from getting a penny. She would tell me how the trouble in California is that the law was so unfair to men for so long that it has gone to the other extreme. Despite the fact that he was physically and verbally abusive to both her and one of the kids – and this was documented with police – the courts bent over backwards for 3 years listening to his demands (and his $600/hr lawyer) that he deserved equal custody and she didn’t deserve a cent. The whole time I saw this little girl utterly devastated. At 9 years old she became anorexic; it’s actually a special type of anorexia common among abused kids called FTT (Failure to Thrive). They are grasping for *anything* they might control, and food is it. To be honest, while I felt incredible compassion for the child, I didn’t listen to either parent’s stories…until the dad started calling me and harrassing me out of the blue, and wanting to tell me all about his side of the divorce. He was truly a scary, narcissistic, abusive megalomaniac. I had to threaten a restraining order and go to court just to get him to stop calling me to talk about his personal life. He even called me drunk! Still, the courts ultimately gave him 50% custody and she got a tiny alimony settlement and they had to sell the house the kids had grown up in. She works retail because she can’t get a decent job in law (she was a lawyer but if you don’t get on the partner track you’re not going to be hireable at 50). The grandparents help out. She was an utterly devastated and abused woman. But as she explained, because she could only afford a $200/hr lawyer and he could afford the $600/hr lawyer, he won.
My boyfriend forks over half his earnings – not to mention the house, car, etc – to his ex, which I think it completely unfair, but I guess my point is that divorce isn’t always bad on the man. Sometimes it’s bad on the woman, too.
Adam said:
Sara, you are correct. 100% correct. In my original post I was trying to be clear that it was one “spouse” and the other “spouse” not necessarily an issue of a “man” and a “woman”. Every case is different, every relationship is different, every circumstance is different…and when you bring children into the mix, that takes things to a different level. I still stand firm on questioning the law and the purpose of the law when one “spouse” brings no monetary support into the marriage, is supported the entire marriage, then can leave with 50% of the marriages assets for no reason other then they were not happy, they cheated and wanted to move on….that is a pretty good deal. No kids.
I’m sure my “spouse” would have a different opinion in the matter of our marriage, but in this case, there is no incentive to stay married. You can pack up and take 50% of the assets and get a settlement for monthly payments for the lifestyle that you were used to! So not only did I lose my ASSets, I am paying for many years the life that I brought her! Not fair at all in this case, she had no vested interest in staying with me. I did not contest anything, i just sucked it up and here I am today. I’m sure I could have tried the $600 an hour attorney route, but what would that have done for me, I would have paid an attorney the money…it is all insane…at least i have my karma in tact!
Gman said:
I think it would be interesting to look at some statistics on the man vs. woman issue. I suspect that for every man that pulls off a stunt like Sara talked about, there are at least 10 women doing the same thing. In my particular case, I was paying for a high-priced lawyer to just allow me to be able to see my son, while she was using a legal-aid lawyer. We both had the same income, only somehow I wasn’t able to get legal aid since I was a man. Since her legal-aid lawyer was looking to make a name for himself, he went all out. Which, in turn, forced me to pay for my lawyer to go all out.
What was spent on ensuring I get to see my son, would have sent him to college for 2 years.
Remember she was the one that filed for divorce on the not-happy basis. I filed under the mental cruelty. Since I had to flee to another province, her filing was the one that was accepted.
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